SPECIAL MEETING OF THE NOVI PLANNING COMMISSION WEDNESDAY, JULY 22, 1997 AT 7:30 P.M. ACTIVITIES ROOM - NOVI CIVIC CENTER - 45175 W. TEN MILE ROAD (810) 347-0475
Meeting called to order at 7:32 p.m. by Chairperson Weddington
PRESENT: Members Bononi, Canup, Capello, Churella, Csordas, Hoadley, Watza , Chairperson Weddington
ABSENT: Vrettas
ALSO PRESENT: Engineering Consultant David Bluhm, Assistant City Attorney Dennis Watson, Landscape Architect Eric Olson, Director of Planning & Community Development Jim Wahl, and Khanh Pham
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Chairperson Weddington asked if there were any additions or corrections to the Agenda? Seeing none she entertained a motion to approve the Agenda as presented.
PM-97-07-204 TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED
Moved by Churella, seconded by Capello, CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY: To approve the agenda as presented.
VOTE ON PM-97-07-204 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
Yes: Bononi, Canup, Capello, Churella, Csordas, Hoadley, Watza, Weddington No: None
AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
Laura Lorenzo, 45995 Galway, made the following comments in regard to the project: Concerns:
Projects to date - Harvest Lake future projects - particularly if receive similar RUD deal
Requests: Delete home sites within upland island in north - central area to provide additional preservation of upland woodlands. If road is necessary - no-load road.
Concerns:
Do not support and waiver/ variance - Purpose of ordinance is to protect lake and lake environment whether 1 development or 21 developments. Disappointed that BMR would recommend waiver/ variance.
Requests: No waiver/ variance.
Concerns:
Recent study of Davis Creek Watershed indicated 12 % imperviousness in City of Novi Planning Area 6. Threshold level for destruction of natural stream qualities is between 10% - 15% - city already within danger zone.
Requests: Deeper setbacks for all home sites abutting any water body. Fertilizer/ Pesticide? Herbicide restrictions. Vegetative buffer strips.
Andrew Mutch, 24541 Hampton Ct., had questions about the project:
1. The connection of the Mobile Home Parks to City water and sewer? 2. The extension of City water and sewer into Lyon Twp.?
CORRESPONDENCE Foley Letter(see attached letter)
MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION
1. HARVEST LAKE OF NOVI, SP 97-06B
Property located north of Ten Mile Road, East of Napier Road for possible Residential Unit Development (RUD) Option Application recommendation to City Council.
Steve Weiner of Harvest Land Co. Introduced himself and gave an overview and history of the development.
Mary Jukuri of JJR made a presentation about the Harvest Lake development.
PM-97-07-205 TO SEND POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR HARVEST LAKE SP 97-06B FOR POSSIBLE RESIDENTIAL UNIT DEVELOPMENT (RUD) OPTION APPLICATION SUBJECT UPON ALL THE CONSULTANTS’ REVIEW LETTERS.
Moved by Churella, seconded by Watza, CARRIED (6-2): To send positive recommendation to City Council for Harvest Lake SP 97-06B for possible Residential Unit Development (RUD) Option Application subject upon all the Consultants’ review letters.
DISCUSSION
Commissioner Bononi’s comments and questions:
a. include bodies of water in density calculations b. receiving de facto zoning a the discretion of Council c. encourage overbuilding not supported by existing underlying zone and the Master Plan for development d. request density bonus on property they will not own. e. propose developments not in keeping with what the community would expect west side development to "look like" f. propose developments which could resemble housing jungle g. whatever this ordinance is, it is not Open Space planning
a. Existence of all supporting infrastructure? b. Distance from: i. water service - pressure problems and who will remedy it? ii. sanitary service: - additional capacity required and who will pay for it? c. who will pay for extensions of these utilities?
a. what is the City position on the request by applicant to relinquish? Does the City intend to comply? Why? b. How will upstream capacity be replaced? c. Who will pay for additional sites / ROW?
City Engineer’s comments and responses: Question: In response to Andrew Mutch’s question about water and sewer lines extending to Napier Road to connect to the Mobile Home Parks and into Lyon Twp.?
Answer: Yes, it would be able to serve the Mobile Home Parks and currently no plans for extending into Lyon Twp.
Question: In response to Commissioner Bononi’s question about capital improvement and the existence of all supporting infrastructure?
Answer: Water and sewer are under design by JCK to bring service to the proposed school. Watermain extension along 11 Mile Road from Beck Road to Wixom Road and north along Wixom Road from 11 Mile Road to Grand River Avenue.
Question: In response to Commissioner Bononi’s question about pressure problems caused by the distance to water services?
Answer: These utilities will be extended to a point which will make them available to extend into the Harvest Lake development. Off-site water improvements are currently being constructed bringing another water feed into this area across I-96 near Beck Road. Other off-site improvements may be necessary not only to provide capacity for Harvest Lake but to assure current service to existing residents.
Question: In response to Commissioner Bononi’s question about additional capacity requirements for sanitary services and who will pay for them?
Answer: Off-site improvements may also be necessary (i.e. reconstruction of existing downstream sewer segments) to provide service for Harvest Lake. These are currently being evaluated with JCK design for sewers being brought to school, but further evaluation may be necessary as individual site plans are submitted for Harvest Lake development. Off-site improvements determined to be necessary to service Harvest Lake will be developers responsibility.
Question: In response to Commissioner Bononi’s question about the Harvest Lake regional retention basin?
Answer: A request has not yet been submitted. Once the request is made an evaluation will be performed to determine its need as a regional basin. It was stated that approx. 75% or more of the drainage contributing to the basin is from the Harvest lake project. Single project watershed areas typically provide private site detention basins. The remaining areas contributing to the lake will need to be developed with private site basins. This is typical for all private development in areas where regional basins are not available. The land needed for private site basins will need to be provided with proposed private development as is typically the case as well as easements needed for ultimate conveyance of stormwater to and from these basins.
Commissioner Hoadley’s comments and questions:
Commissioner Hoadley further stated that the Harvest Lake project is a world class project and that it would be a benefit to the City.
Developer’s comments and responses:
Question: In response to Commissioner Hoadley’s question about pedestrian paths to service school kids of the area?
Answer: Yes, Mary Jukuri showed the connectivity of the pedestrian paths and how it would be able service the school children of the area.
Question: In response to Commissioner Hoadley’s question about alignment of Wixom Rd. entrance that might be in conflict with the Birchwood subdivision entrance?
Answer: No, the two entrance ways are not going to align; there is a 200-300 feet offset.
Question: In response to Commissioner Hoadley’s question stacking issue at Wixom Rd.. and whether developer would alleviate situation if it was a recommended by the Traffic Consultant?
Answer: If it was recommended by the Traffic Consultant and if it was attributed to the project.
Question: In response to Commissioner Hoadley’s question about paving of Napier if it was needed and recommended by the Traffic Consultant?
Answer: If it was recommended by the Traffic Consultant and if it was attributed to the project.
Question: In response to Commissioner Hoadley’s question about what is the buildout value of project and what kind of taxes would it generate for the city and the school system?
Answer: Total value would be in the range of $400-$500 million; taxes generated for the City would approximately be $5 million and two (2) times that amount for the schools.
Question: In response to Commissioner Hoadley’s question about is it necessary for southerly Napier Rd. access?
Answer: Traffic capacity, engineering, and safety analysis indicates the second Napier Road access point is required. This is supported by City’s Consultants.
Question: In response to Commissioner Hoadley’s question about why was the 2.5 acre parcel at the northwest corner of Wixom and Ten Mile Rd. not included in the RUD calculations and what does the developer intend to develop on the property?
Answer: Property is physically segregated from remainder of site and has environmentally sensitive features, and is not a viable single family residential site. Therefore, not part of the RUD. Discussion with City on fire station location; however, currently no plan for the site.
Chairperson Weddington’s comments and questions:
VOTE ON PM-97-07-205 CARRIED
Yes: Canup, Capello, Churella, Csordas, Hoadley, Watza No: Bononi, Weddington
PM-97-07-206 TO ADJOURN THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT 9:22 P.M.
Moved by Churella, seconded by Hoadley, CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY: To adjourn the Special Meeting of the Planning Commission at 9:22 P.M.
VOTE ON PM-97-07-206 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
Yes: Bononi, Canup, Capello, Churella, Csordas, Hoadley, Watza, Weddington No: None
_____________________________________ Khanh Pham - Recording Secretary
Transcribed by: Khanh Pham July 24, 1997
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