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    The Mayor called the meeting to order at 7:08 PM. 
    
    PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE 
    ROLL CALL: Mayor Clark, Mayor ProTem Lorenzo, Council Members Bononi, 
    Crawford, Csordas, DeRoche and Kramer. 
    
    AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION 
    Ms. Antuna showed Council the Novi clip of the S.W.O.C.C. Annual 
    Video Report as an example of the non-linear editing machine. Mr. Klaver 
    said Council had been provided with the reports on the number of productions 
    and revenue estimates. This report would be on Channel 13 for May 
    programming. 
    
    PROPOSED BUDGET REVIEW 
    
    Mr. Klaver said the Water and Sewer Fund was originally listed for 
    tonight but Mr. Nowicki would not be able to attend. He asked that it be 
    held over for the April 27th meeting and Mr. Jerome would be 
    present to discuss the other budgets as well. 
    Ms. Smith-Roy said the Capital Improvement Fund Balance Sheet should be 
    included with the wrap up tools received earlier in their packet. The 
    balance in that fund was $300,000. Secondly, she would like to cover the 
    monthly financial report for the ice arena tonight. 
    
    Clerk 
    
    Ms. Smith-Roy said there are a couple of maintenance agreements that were 
    not in the budget last year. They are for voter equipment and the imaging 
    software package. The office equipment included was for new voting equipment 
    and there was nothing for additional personnel. 
    
    Building Department & Ordinance Enforcement 
    
    Mr. Saven said his budget dealt with legislation that passed December 29, 
    1999 which brought in a new Michigan State Construction Code. This meant 
    forms had to be changed, all policies and procedures had to be updated 
    according to the new budget. Then in December, 2000 it world all be done 
    again because they would have one uniform international code throughout the 
    country and world. These changes are mandated by law. 
    Mr. Saven said they received an ISO rating and it indicated they had the 
    ability to reduce home insurance in the City based on their professionalism. 
    They also took on the Community Rating System (CRS) that dealt with FEMA 
    involving flood plains. The FEMA representative came in and evaluated them; 
    it was constructive and they want to maintain this program. 
    Member Bononi asked what the mileage was on vehicles to be replaced? Mr. 
    Saven said the mileage was 63,676, 62,346 and 48,347. 
      
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo asked what the $15,000 building improvements were? 
    Mr. Saven said they wanted to restructure the layout of the office area to 
    make it more effective and efficient. 
    Mayor Clark asked if his department could handle the additional 
    responsibilities, at the present staff levels, if a rental ordinance was 
    adopted? 
    Mr. Saven said no. The code changes that are taking place now are 
    horrendous. They were trying to develop another housing law that would be 
    consistent with the Property Maintenance Code. They would be going to the 
    2000 Property Maintenance Code in December 2000. He did not want to touch 
    anything until there was consistent stabilization to the Codes once they 
    were adopted. They are supposed to be on line by December. His department 
    would have to go through the changing of the codes and the ordinances to 
    adopt these specific requirements. 
    There was a lot of issues regarding a rental ordinance that needed to be 
    looked at. Once the program was established and goals set then he would know 
    what it would take to achieve that. 
    Mayor Clark said it would be premature in Ordinance Review to try to 
    enact something before the end of the year because it would be impacted by 
    the changes that are happening in December. 
    Mr. Saven said Ordinance Enforcement was dealing with these same issues. 
    They need one replacement vehicle. 
    
    Coalition That Cares 
    
    Marilyn Troshak had handouts for Council regarding the Coalition and from 
    a Parks and Recreation perspective a fourth year projection on how the 
    budget would look for the after school program alone. There was information 
    on what other entities were doing, projected fund raising projects with 
    specific dollar amounts and the second attachment was the after school 
    component for the fourth year. Dhe was projecting fund raising at $33,000 
    and some of the projects would roll over into next year because of the need 
    for planning the event. 
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo asked about D.A.R.E. Ms. Smith-Roy said there was 
    $187,500 being federally funded of the $275,000. She questioned the teacher 
    for D.A.R.E and Ms. Troshak said she included the classroom hours that are 
    dedicated by the teachers during that hour that the D.A.R.E. Officers were 
    there. Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo asked if the D.A.R.E. trained teachers could 
    teach the program? Ms. Troshak thought their training was to compliment the 
    D.A.R.E. Officer in the classroom but she would check it out. 
    
    Building & Grounds 
    Mr. Davis said this function is the operations and functions of the 
    operations of the Civic Center on site. There are two funded full time 
    positions. Those positions are supplemented with staffing on weekends and 
    when extra support personnel are needed. This also includes the outside 
    perimeter of the building, which included grass cutting. It included utility 
    accounts, heating, electrical, water service, etc. The largest increase was 
    in Other Services and 
      
      
      
    Charges, which had been increased over the last couple of years in the 
    area of building maintenance. The building is 12 years old and starting to 
    show wear and tear. 
    Member Kramer asked why telephones were up significantly. Mr. Davis said 
    there had been a phone service change over and the equipment had been 
    expanded, phones were added and there were maintenance issues. This also 
    included issues like fax machines, Internet and a lot of other issues. 
    Member Kramer asked for a detailed breakdown of building maintenance and 
    an opinion whether any of this maintenance could be postponed. Mr. Davis 
    said he had a breakdown and would leave it for Council. 
    Mr. Davis said there are electrical and plumbing issues, carpeting, wall 
    covering, upholstering of furniture, indoor/outdoor atrium foliage, tables, 
    chairs, supplemental heat system, conference room tables, etc. 
    
      
    
    Member Bononi asked when they would look at the Fuerst Farm item? Ms. 
    Smith-Roy said Ms. Conley would not have the details of that line item until 
    they meet so that was just a number proposed for the budget process. Mayor 
    Clark said the meeting was this month. 
    Member Csordas asked what the correct number was for carpet? Mr. Davis 
    said the $50,000 was the most current number. They went through the billing 
    and found the worst areas and assigned a $20.00 per sq. yd. cost. The most 
    noticeable areas are the public areas, meeting rooms in the Sixth Gate 
    Conference area and Council Chambers. He said it would be well over $130,000 
    in total cost but they had chosen to look at the worst areas first which is 
    the $50,000. 
      
    
    Parks & Recreation 
    
    Mr. Davis said this was broken down into four areas of division 
    responsibilities; Administration, Recreation Services, Senior Division 
    Services and Park Maintenance. There were no new personnel or Capital 
    included. The C.I.P. outlined the Capital items they had requested and he 
    had provided a memo on April 7th that summarized priorities of 
    items that were deleted. 
    Administration included the responsibility of the Director, four clerical 
    staff, Deputy Director positions and the general overall function of the 
    department. Included in that was the cost of operations such as office 
    supplies equipment, etc. This is a status quo budget. 
    Two coordinators who are recreation professionals administer the 
    Recreation Division. One of the coordinators was leaving her position so 
    that position would be replaced. In Personnel and Other Services and Charges 
    the budget remained status quo from the 1999-2000 budget. 
    In the Senior Division there was one full time Special Recreation 
    Coordinator, Kathy Crawford, who administered that aspect and it was 
    supported by the OLSHA Senior Center Manager position which is a contractual 
    position that was shared with the Oakland Livingston Human Services 
    Department. The position was funded through the Community Development Block 
    Grant and it provided additional support. There are part time senior van 
    drivers that are part of the program budget. 
      
    In the Park Maintenance Division there is one supervisor and four laborer 
    type positions that are responsible for the support of the recreation 
    programming and they work with the programmers to support the activities 
    they provide. They are responsible for the ten park sites that total up to 
    700 acres of park system acreage. Power Park, Community Sports Park and the 
    11 Mile and Wixom School site are very active sites and have a level of 
    maintenance that is different than a vacant piece of property. In addition 
    they provide services for the Civic Center Complex and the Police Station 
    grounds. 
    His main concerns were in the park maintenance area for Capital Outlay. 
    There was $39,000 that was removed for replacement items, riding 
    mower-$14,000, utility vehicle-$8,000, replacement of a 15 year old 
    airifying unit for the athletic fields for $11,000 and an infield groomer 
    for $6,000. 
    On the Park Development side in the Capital Improvement process they 
    requested $965,000 for a variety of park locations. 
    Community Sports Park – This was the number one priority. It needs a 
    maintenance building and fencing bids will be before Council on May 1st.
    . Also included was additional play equipment and signage. 
    Power Park - They budgeted $145,000 and it included replacement of 
    playground equipment, fencing and supplemental restroom. They felt it was 
    important to look at all of the restroom facilities at all park locations. 
    North Novi Park - They had embarked on an effort with the community to 
    solicit comments as to how that site would be Master Planned. They have 
    received good feedback and eventually they would need an update of the 1995 
    and 96 plans, which would be refined down into cost estimates to define what 
    would be done on the site. They would need architectural design work and 
    $50,000 had been budgeted for that. 
    Eleven Mile City School Site – They have been able to get some park 
    development here working jointly with the Novi Schools. The Soccer fields 
    are in use but there are no comfort stations set up and there was $125,000 
    requested to address those issues along with signage and interior pedestrian 
    walkways throughout the site. 
    Rotary Park - $155,000 was requested. This site needed restroom 
    facilities, expanded play equipment and an expansion of trail networks 
    throughout by bridging over the Rouge River. This request provided for that. 
    Meadowbrook Commons Senior Citizens Housing Development - There was no 
    money set aside for any type of facilities, equipment or benches. When 
    opening up that site they wanted to have some outside complementary type 
    uses and facilities for the seniors living there and the community in a 
    community neighborhood type concept. 
    Lakeshore Park – They have requested $165,000 and would like to erect a 
    new picnic shelter towards the front end where the tents are set up. They 
    would be looking at parking lot issues and signage as well. It was an area 
    that would potentially have the availability of Community Development Block 
    Grant Funds. He met with the H.C.D. Committee and they evaluated that 
      
    and they potentially have some dollars and would recommend to Council 
    reprogramming that could take care of that $165,000 item. 
    Brook Farm Park – A 7-acre neighborhood park, which they have requested 
    $5,000 for a pedestrian bridge that would link that park with the Village 
    Oaks Elementary School site. They have an open space area for soccer, 
    T-ball, softball and a tennis court. The School District had playground 
    equipment on their property and they have worked together but they do need a 
    bridge and signage. 
    Spirit of ’76 Park – They requested $25,000 for signage and pedestrian 
    walkway linking from the school site into the park. This is at Eleven Mile 
    and Taft Roads and there is no off road parking areas so they would like to 
    use the school parking lots. 
    He felt the first five of these were very important and needed to be 
    implemented as soon as possible. 
    Member Csordas asked why it would cost $50,000 for the North Novi Park 
    Master Plan? 
    Mr. Davis said originally there was a general Master Plan done for the 
    site, what would fit and a site analysis that gave them base information. 
    What zones could be developed for what purposes, where the wetland and 
    woodland were and things of that nature. The next step was a different scale 
    of mapping that would get into how many linear feet of pedestrian bridging 
    would be needed from point to point. How big of an area would be developable 
    for an active site such as picnicking, etc. and what would some of the 
    elements of the development be. How large of a picnic shelter and what would 
    that cost be? We are dealing with preliminary information from 95 and 96 and 
    it is somewhat outdated and needed to be brought up to date. There have been 
    some adjustments in the property. When the Master Plan was done they 
    included the 59 acre parcel that was purchased with road monies and used as 
    a mitigation site. When the Master Plan was done they looked at all City 
    property ownership there to develop a site analysis and now that there was 
    current information that needed to be refined. 
    Another thing was West Park Drive was an actual roadway and needed to be 
    identified in a new plan, which would be, refine into a more usable 
    document. He envisioned it to be a phase in type of development scheme. 
    Mr. Davis said it would be for profession service and it would go out for 
    qualifications and bids to seek who would be the best for this type of 
    development. The current City Consultants would also be involved with base 
    information. 
    Member DeRoche said none of these items made it into the budget. It 
    seemed to him if we had to eke out monies there should be simple common 
    sense things to use the money for such as bathrooms, signage, make shift 
    parking etc. to make it a little better until there was a long term 
    solution. 
    Mr. Davis went back to the original thought process when the Commission 
    and staff were developing the C.I.P. They knew the money was not there and 
    that it would come down to the prioritizing of items and what level of 
    service within the park system they wanted. They felt the bar should be 
    raised on the quality and make sure they had the proper playground 
    equipment. Some of the playground equipment was 15 to 20 years old and was 
    outdated. Improvements had been made to make sure it complied with the ADA 
    compliance issues but we are pushing 
    the envelope there. Mr. Davis said he could look at how the limited 
    dollars could be maximized for the benefit of the residents. He would push 
    off the signage but would want a restroom in a heavily used park, upgrade 
    the playground equipment that was questionable and decide whether or not it 
    should be in service. 
    Member DeRoche said Mr. Davis did not necessarily need an architect or 
    planner telling him what to do. If he were given money he would find an 
    effective way to spend it. Mr. Davis agreed. 
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo said the Spirit of ’76 Park was Item #9 on his 
    priority list and two years ago on his Capital Improvement Plan it was 
    projected for the 2000-2001 Budget parking area for $10,000 and Playground 
    equipment for $20,000. She noticed that he did not have either of those 
    items in this budget and asked him to explain why? 
    Mr. Davis said each year the Capital Improvement Budget Plan was 
    re-evaluated. He said based on trends, changes of use and re-prioritizing. A 
    couple of years ago the parking lot issue made sense. However, we have gone 
    over it in the last couple of years and asked ourselves how it could be 
    better address without doing curb cuts at that corner, how do we get people 
    in to use the park in a safe way but without that cost. Priorities and uses 
    change on a trend basis. A parking area had been exchanged for a pedestrian 
    walkway to link to the school’s parking. 
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo said a resident came forward and said some children 
    had fallen because playground equipment had not been maintained. She asked 
    if the playground equipment had been maintained or replaced? 
    
      
    
    He said the equipment itself was fine the issue was the 
    drop zones around it and it had been addressed and was at current safety 
    standards. Again, it was a priority of use and where the heavy uses were. 
    This is a priority and the maintenance department would make sure these were 
    checked and major issues were addressed. 
      
    She said in the 99-2000 Budget $50,000 was allocated for 
    sidewalks in Community Sports Park. She asked if they had been installed? 
      
    Mr. Davis said no because Napier Road was being paved 
    from Eight Mile to Nine Mile and it was funded by the development going in 
    at Nine Mile and Napier. They are establishing the areas of R.O.W. and 
    roadway areas and once that was done they would be able to identify where 
    linkages would be needed. She asked if it had been funded? Mr. Davis said 
    when they went out for the Sports Park buildings, because of the cost of 
    those buildings, they up fronted those with additional dollars for the 
    $50,000. He said out of all the items that were funded or recommended for 
    funding in this year’s budget project #1 was the buildings, #2 was 
    landscaping, #3 was the ball field fencing, #4 was sidewalks and #5 was 
    parking lot lights. They are in the process of accomplishing or have 
    accomplished the first three. He and Ms. Smith-Roy would be reviewing total 
    dollars spent and would determine if they could go on to items #4 and #5. He 
    was not optimistic but they would look at it. He said they were close to 
    closing out on the buildings, the trees have been planted and they had some 
    retainage that they held back that would be on their books until November 1st 
    per the contract, which was 5 or 10%. A bid would be before Council on May 1st 
    for the three priorities that had been identified 
      
      
    and they would have an idea what the final number was. If 
    short, they would bring it back to Council and try to come up with some 
    alternatives for Council consideration. 
      
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo asked if the shelter and restroom 
    proposed for Community Sports Park was the second one? Mr. Davis said it was 
    and it was Master Planned and would be a combination shelter/restroom 
    building near Eight Mile where the Tim Pope Play Structure is. There are 
    hundreds and hundreds of children and families that are using it on a daily 
    basis. They were also looking at working with some local service 
    organization to actually build on a community wide basis something like that 
    out. 
      
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo had asked about the Senior Van for 
    Walled Lake and he had mentioned that the van drivers were paid out of the 
    senior part of the budget. She asked if he had the additional information? 
    In the contract it indicated that "the City of Novi will be responsible for 
    acquiring, operating, dispatching, maintaining and insuring the van." 
      
    Mr. Davis did not have the handouts but had reviewed that 
    statement with Mr. Nowicki and the direction they were moving in was that it 
    was going to be a funded out of the construction contract for that water 
    main extension. It would be a line item that would be purchased through that 
    project. 
      
    She asked how that project was being funded? Mr. Davis 
    was not sure. She asked about the operating, etc. and Mr. Davis said it was 
    a limited operation two days a week and would be billable back for payment 
    from Walled Lake. He had worked out arrangements with them and they would be 
    providing funding for all operations associated with that vans service. It 
    was projected to be about $32,000 a year and included staffing, maintenance, 
    insurance and administrative payback arrangement for the cost overhead. 
      
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo asked what the cost of the van was? 
    Mr. Davis said about $32,000. She said from the Water and Sewer Fund? He 
    said yes. Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo said the $30,575 paid in two equal 
    installments would pay for the operating, etc. He said that was correct and 
    he would provide communication and a breakdown on that and it would be in 
    the contract. This would be reviewed on an annual basis. 
      
    Ms. Smith-Roy said it would not be funded out of Water 
    and Sewer. She would research this further because the Water and Sewer Fund 
    statement was an error. 
      
    Mr. Klaver discussed this with Mr. Nowicki. He had sat in 
    on a meeting with Walled Lake and Commerce Township and it was something 
    they had looked at as an offset for part of the negotiations on the water 
    and sewer. It was not going to come out of that fund; it was in lieu of 
    another payment. He would talk with Mr. Nowicki and give Council an update 
    at the April 27th meeting. 
      
    Member Crawford was not optimistic that money would be 
    found for the parks in this budget 
    because it was a bare bones budget and if found it would 
    be at the expense of another item or department. Has your staff or 
    commission talked about a Charter Millage? Right now they have a half a mil 
    and levy 4/10ths or less and he felt they needed to get in the que sometime. 
    It needed to be brought forward. 
      
      
      
    Mr. Davis said it had come up in discussions as the 
    C.I.P. was being developed. The Commission was well aware of this and the 
    other issues created a situation where it was a pecking order. The 
    priorities and needs were well documented and it was really a question to 
    Council and the Community of what the priorities were and where Parks and 
    Recreation fit in. He felt they needed to look at that and what the 
    community would embrace. He was hearing from the community they wanted 
    quality but was not sure he was hearing they were willing to raise millage 
    or taxes to provide it. 
      
    Member Crawford encouraged Mr. Davis to bring it forward 
    soon because he was hearing that people did want better services and they 
    might be willing to pay for it but the question had to be presented to find 
    out. 
      
    Mr. Davis stated they had gone a long way with the 
    passage of the 93 Bond Issue in purchasing property. Now another step needed 
    to be taken for the park development side of it and then the operational 
    components of this. We have a level of service for the parks that needed to 
    be maintained so the operational components on the back end of their 
    long-term financing needs would be an issue also. 
      
    Member Kramer agreed strongly with Member Crawford. He 
    felt this was a quality of life thing that supported family enjoyment. He 
    questioned the $28,000 contingency item in the Parks and Recreation budget 
    and asked if it was still in the budget? Mr. Davis said it was still in 
    there and it was for all four divisions of operation. They carried it 
    forward for all of their full time personnel and instead of projecting rate 
    increases they budget in a contingency line item to address those issues. 
      
    Member Kramer asked what the $900,000 for salary 
    contingencies for the City was? Ms. 
    Smith-Roy advised there was a contingency in the Parks 
    and Recreation Fund because it was a separate fund from the General Fund. 
    Therefore, the City contingency does not cover Parks and Recreation because 
    it had separate support. Member Kramer would support whatever citizen 
    oriented effort that could be put together. 
      
    Member Bononi agreed with Member Kramer but did not think 
    they had done a good enough job and felt people were telling them that loud 
    and clear. It was disturbing to her that several projects were started but 
    were not completed and they wanted to move on to new ones and she felt the 
    projects started should be finished first. They should be facilities of 
    which we can be proud. She was not proud of a facility that did not have a 
    bathroom for children to use. 
      
    She asked in regard to Rotary Park was there any 
    coordination with the coordinator of the Storm Water General Permit with 
    regard to the high ecoli strep rates at Monitoring Station #9 just north of 
    the park? 
      
    Mr. Davis said they have not had any contact with them to 
    coordinate anything at this point. She hoped he would do so. 
    
      
    
      
      
      
      
    Ice Arena 
    
    Mr. Davis was very pleased with the turnaround that had taken place since 
    Suburban had taken over management of the arena but cautioned it had only 
    been six months. It is the operation of an $8 ½ million building with over 
    $600,000 a year principal on interest debt service payment. The actual 
    budget was close to $2 million. It is a revenue producing facility but any 
    type of "hiccup" in the operation had a dramatic effect on the bottom line. 
    They had those "hiccups" with the previous management company and a slow 
    start when first opened but now they have seen very good progress. 
    Ms. Smith-Roy advised Council they had the latest financial statements 
    for March 31st. Essentially, Mr. Anastos was right on track with 
    where they projected they would be for the current year. The most impressive 
    area was the revenue and they had been able to hold close to what their 
    projections were. The true test would be the next six months when it was the 
    slow time and they would get a feel for the first time what type of revenue 
    and expenses would be incurred during that time period. They have returned 
    for investment purposes $200,000, which they are offsetting the due to 
    General Fund that was previously in the fund. They would continue to bring 
    those funds. She cautioned Council that on June 1st there was 
    another debt service payment due. However, they were asked to return those 
    funds to the General Fund. They had charged a small interest charge to the 
    Ice Arena from the General Fund and they had now backed that off. 
    Administratively she did not think it made sense but would work at the 
    direction of Council on how they wanted the issue addressed. The statements 
    now show an interest free loan from the General Fund. 
    The budget presented showed a loss of $189,000. She had a projection 
    handout and a brief summary to show what the true cash loss was versus the 
    financial loss. What was included in the financial report and what was 
    included in the budget was an item for depreciation. When the depreciation 
    amount was added back and the principal portion on the loan subtracted the 
    projected cash needed from the General Fund would be about $24,000. They 
    believed workstations were essential for them to operate. Also, a frozen 
    beverage machine was something that would generate enough income to pay for 
    itself in a short period of time, floor scrubbers related to maintenance and 
    the auto fry were also things they thought might pay for themselves over 
    time. These items are not in the budget right now but they were looking for 
    approval for those items. However, because this is a proprietary fund or 
    enterprise fund it did not go through the normal procedure of the other 
    funds. The primary reason they were having a cash shortage was because of 
    the debt service. A comparison was made with two other arenas in the area 
    with two surfaces and analyzed their financial statements and our debt 
    service was significantly higher then either one of those arenas. One 
    operates at a loss continuously and the other one just barely breaks even 
    every year. 
    Member DeRoche asked if there was a benefit or detriment to the City 
    regarding the handling of the interest on the arena or was it something that 
    just appeared on paper? She said it would be a policy issue and Council 
    would determine whether the ice arena would be repaying interest to the 
    General Fund for the use of the money. Member DeRoche thought that was the 
    initial policy. She said in revisiting this it just did not make sense. She 
    had high hopes that there might be some cash left over to start repaying the 
    debt. We sat down with them several times and next year the principal that 
    would be due on the debt was $25,000 greater then it was this year. 
    Utilities were financed and it was something that was not factored when they 
    came to do their presentation. 
      
    Member DeRoche thought to keep things square the interest should be 
    continued and at least have a record of everything that the ice arena was 
    doing to the budget. 
    Member Bononi agreed that any viable business plan should indicate the 
    numbers as they are and she wanted to see them retained in the same way with 
    regard to interest. 
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo asked if Suburban returned the cash with the 
    assumption that it would be for investment purposes and it was instead 
    repaid to the General Fund? 
    Ms. Smith-Roy said no. They have an account set up with Comerica Bank and 
    use it as an operating fund. We have asked them, as they have excess funds 
    during the year, to pay that back to the City account where it could be put 
    into the short term investment fund to offset this negative loan balance 
    carried on the books. 
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo asked if it was all in the General Fund? Ms. 
    Smith-Roy said yes it was but on June 1st a debt service payment 
    was due. Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo said then we are robbing Peter to pay Paul 
    with the numbers. Ms. Smith-Roy said no. If that money was left in Comerica 
    it earned nothing. If transferred to us it helped offset the General Fund, 
    which allowed it to be invested at short term investment rates. 
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo said then we might make a little money on the 
    $200,00 before it went back to the ice arena but we would give it back. Ms. 
    Smith-Roy said that was correct. Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo said then the number 
    that was reflective of $447,897 would soon be $647,000. Ms. Smith-Roy said 
    right, it would be somewhere between $600,000 and $700,000. 
    Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo thought Suburban had made great strides and it was 
    certainly no reflection on them but it appeared to her the ice arena was a 
    loser. It would be a drain on the City and we should get out as quickly as 
    possible before investing anymore General Fund dollars. It was projected 
    already that cash needed in the next fiscal year was $24,398 and that was 
    without the "hiccups" that Mr. Davis referred to. She said programs could 
    not be funded because they had to dump $700,000 into the ice arena. She felt 
    that the ice arena should be put up for sale. 
    Member Crawford asked Mr. Davis to respond to what was said. Mr. Davis 
    said if looking at it on a cash basis Mayor Pro Tem Lorenzo was correct and 
    Council had to ask if that $24,000 was a worthy investment for the operation 
    of the facility for the benefit it provided for the community. To put it 
    into a comparison term a lot of things done departmentally in Parks and 
    Recreation are subsidy items like Lakeshore Beach, which is a wonderful 
    facility for the community. However, to provide services such as lifeguards, 
    operation and maintenance of it the City pays, out of the General Fund, 
    $25,000 to $30,000 annually to support it. A variety of Senior Citizens 
    activities such as the van operation are subsidized through the General 
    Fund. Historically, some services require subsidies that provide benefits 
    back to the community. 
    If sold, what would it bring when there is an $8.5 million debt service 
    generating principal and interest of over $600,000 a year that we are 
    obligated to for the next 21 years. We would still have that obligation to 
    pay for. Would it be a benefit to the community to attempt to sell the 
    facility dollar for dollar of what was invested into it and at the end of 
    that where are we? Member Crawford said we have not even had a year of 
    present management under this new company. It looked like it was going in 
    the right direction over the last six months. He thought 
    the second year of their management might very well be a revenue 
    generating facility or at least breaking even and paying all the bills. 
    Mr. Davis said Mr. Anastos proposed a two-year budget. The first year he 
    projected a ten-month budget and was not in and operating for one additional 
    month so it was actually 9 months. He projected $1.3 million worth of 
    revenue and was close to target. After five months of operation they were 
    over a million dollars. He has a good firm understanding of the business was 
    delivering on what he had said. He felt it was important to listen to what 
    Mr. Anastos had to say. Regarding the Capital items he had requested two of 
    them are revenue-producing items. Do you fund those with the idea it would 
    return dollars back on a positive side to increase revenue? Would it be done 
    in one year? Obviously, an auto fryer and a frozen beverage machine have a 
    life expectancy of more than one year. So would we expect the money spent on 
    them to come back in one year or would we forecast it out and say it would 
    be $15,000 in today’s dollar but it would be a revenue source for us for the 
    next 5 or 10 years. 
    Member Crawford thought it would make the arena a much nicer place to be 
    because there might be spin-offs and offsets of additional rentals. He felt 
    these requests should be looked at. 
    Mayor Clark thought the management was very competent and was willing to 
    give it some time. In fairness to the present management he felt it had to 
    be given a year or two at most. If it appeared that it was on a positive 
    track it would be a whole different picture. However, if with Mr. Anastos’ 
    best efforts it does not happen he would be the first one to say it should 
    go on the block. He thought the ice arena could make it but the question was 
    how soon. 
    Ms. Smith-Roy asked Council if there was any information they would like 
    for wrap up to let her know. 
    Member Kramer asked if there was a page in the budget that showed what 
    the millage was, overtime and what the statutory limit on millage was etc. 
    Ms. Smith-Roy said it was in the revenue section. Member Kramer stated 
    Council still had to discuss whether they wanted to create a legal defense 
    fund and where that money would come from, which could be discussed April 27th. 
    Mayor Clark suggested as new projects come on line, especially 
    Commercial, Council might want to consider taking a percentage of that money 
    and put it into a liability account that would be a trust account. 
    Member Kramer asked if there was anything in their budget process that 
    had to be addressed or was this something that could be handled as an 
    ongoing discussion. 
    Member DeRoche had thought a lot about that and thought it needed to be 
    considered. If we, as a government, have money collected from tax revenues 
    and were not intending to spend it this year then he felt it would be better 
    off left in checkbooks of residents until the time when we are actually 
    called on to make the payment. 
    Mayor Clark said the other side of the coin was if it was put in the 
    General Fund it would be spent. Then when it was needed and the residents 
    were asked to pay a higher tax they would 
      
    say you had all that money and why wasn’t it put aside so that our taxes 
    did not have to be raised. 
    Mayor Clark asked that budget sheets be used for next year’s budget. 
    Instead of loose sheets a page could be added as 50A or replaced entirely. 
      
    
    AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION - None 
    ADJOURNMENT 
    CM-00-05-128 Moved by DeRoche, seconded by Lorenzo; CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY: 
    To adjourn the meeting at 9:26 PM. 
    Vote on CM-00-05-128 Yeas: Clark, Bononi, Crawford, Csordas, DeRoche, 
    Kramer, Lorenzo 
    Nays: None 
    
      
      
    
    ____________________________ ___________________________ 
    Richard J. Clark, Mayor Maryanne Cornelius, City Clerk 
      
    Transcribed by: _________________________ 
    Charlene Mc Lean 
      
    Date approved: May 15, 2000 
    
      
      
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